News Release From The Angling Trust
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Just a couple of points regarding this news release, i see that the E A are trying to mustle in on the sea angling scene What do they know about angling apart from being complicit in arranging worthless restictions. That brings me nicely on to the next point. As they are unelected and choose to be complicit in arranging worthless restrictions how dare this guy from the A T even suggest that they rep all angling and they are the governers. Left wondering how many foul hooked eel are being released back dead from the reports of captures in the lower thames because of their complicity.
John Amery, chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the governing and representative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
QUOTE (barry luxton @ Jul 10 2010, 07:26 AM) 
how dare this guy from the A T even suggest that they rep all angling and they are the governers.
John Amery, chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the governing and representative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
John Amery, chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the governing and representative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
Quite right Barry the man is suffering from delusions of grandeur
If I may, Barry......
It should be, John "I'm not interested in Article 47" Amery, acting chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the 'governing', 'representative' and manipulative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
I shall never forget him snarling across the table when presenting my breakdown of implications of the disastrous EU document. There was much more pressing matters to be getting on with, namely the old NFSA specimen award scheme!!!
Back to the press release.
It is remarkable how there has been an apparent growth in the sport, pastime, what have you, when only the other week the AT were buttering up Richard Benyon with tales of decimation in the RSA sector.
Check this garbage out.....
I was gobsmacked when I read it!
It should be, John "I'm not interested in Article 47" Amery, acting chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the 'governing', 'representative' and manipulative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
I shall never forget him snarling across the table when presenting my breakdown of implications of the disastrous EU document. There was much more pressing matters to be getting on with, namely the old NFSA specimen award scheme!!!
Back to the press release.
It is remarkable how there has been an apparent growth in the sport, pastime, what have you, when only the other week the AT were buttering up Richard Benyon with tales of decimation in the RSA sector.
Check this garbage out.....
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Email today to Richard Benyon, Fisheries Minister;
Hello again Richard
You recently gave an answer in Parliament on Inshore Fisheries Management which has caused a little upset in our community.
A previous Conservative Fisheries Minister, John Gummer, said in November 2001; "I was never able to press for the necessary conservation measures at National and EU level, due to the nations 'emotional attachment' to
fishermen. The Industry has too much political clout .The lawn mowing industry employs more people but does not have four ministries, England, N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland."
In other words, fishermen exerted too much control. Passing more control over to the foxes won't assist in managing the hen house.
When the inshore fleet runs out of quota species it simply moves effort to non quota species and starts to decimate their numbers to the detriment of other stakeholders and fish stocks.
I was about to give evidence to a joint committee on the Marine Bill when the speakers before me were asked, "Does the commercial fleet fish sustainably?"
They, from the commercial sector, answered, "Yes." and went into a long diatribe blaming everything other than effort by themselves for the decline in fish stocks. As near ago as the 1970s nearly every harbour I
visited had a fleet of under tens, some larger vessels and a massive fleet of small boats servicing the recreational angling and diving market. On average there were at least 15 boats per port, going out
seven days a week with a minimum of four anglers on board and generally six or eight. Each boat had a skipper and a crewman to assist the anglers. We needed to book months in advance to secure good tides and
the boats we wanted.
If you visit those same ports today there are fewer under tens, hardly any larger vessels and perhaps five charter boats going out at weekends with the occasional midweek trip planned. Average anglers per week in
1970 per port 630, average anglers per port per week now 60. The average trip in 1970 cost me £45.00, that is £28,350 a week, plus the money I spent locally on accommodation, breakfast, parking, bait, tackle and
beer. Average trip today costs £100 which is £6000, a shortfall in community earnings of £22,350 a week, that is over a million a year per port being lost on the backs of the greed of commercial fishermen and the
"sustainable" way they fish, just to the boatmen.
Anglers stay away from coastal communities when there are no fish worth catching for them to take. You only have to watch the beaches to know that when there are fish out there the anglers return in numbers. We
could yet go back to the days of decent catches for anglers of species which then were of no interest to the commercials and which had no value to them, but which are now exploited because they have taken everything
else out.
Looking forward to our meeting with you, when perhaps we can explore some of these issues more fully.
Mike
Michael Heylin
Chairman
Angling Trust
The Voice of Angling
Hello again Richard
You recently gave an answer in Parliament on Inshore Fisheries Management which has caused a little upset in our community.
A previous Conservative Fisheries Minister, John Gummer, said in November 2001; "I was never able to press for the necessary conservation measures at National and EU level, due to the nations 'emotional attachment' to
fishermen. The Industry has too much political clout .The lawn mowing industry employs more people but does not have four ministries, England, N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland."
In other words, fishermen exerted too much control. Passing more control over to the foxes won't assist in managing the hen house.
When the inshore fleet runs out of quota species it simply moves effort to non quota species and starts to decimate their numbers to the detriment of other stakeholders and fish stocks.
I was about to give evidence to a joint committee on the Marine Bill when the speakers before me were asked, "Does the commercial fleet fish sustainably?"
They, from the commercial sector, answered, "Yes." and went into a long diatribe blaming everything other than effort by themselves for the decline in fish stocks. As near ago as the 1970s nearly every harbour I
visited had a fleet of under tens, some larger vessels and a massive fleet of small boats servicing the recreational angling and diving market. On average there were at least 15 boats per port, going out
seven days a week with a minimum of four anglers on board and generally six or eight. Each boat had a skipper and a crewman to assist the anglers. We needed to book months in advance to secure good tides and
the boats we wanted.
If you visit those same ports today there are fewer under tens, hardly any larger vessels and perhaps five charter boats going out at weekends with the occasional midweek trip planned. Average anglers per week in
1970 per port 630, average anglers per port per week now 60. The average trip in 1970 cost me £45.00, that is £28,350 a week, plus the money I spent locally on accommodation, breakfast, parking, bait, tackle and
beer. Average trip today costs £100 which is £6000, a shortfall in community earnings of £22,350 a week, that is over a million a year per port being lost on the backs of the greed of commercial fishermen and the
"sustainable" way they fish, just to the boatmen.
Anglers stay away from coastal communities when there are no fish worth catching for them to take. You only have to watch the beaches to know that when there are fish out there the anglers return in numbers. We
could yet go back to the days of decent catches for anglers of species which then were of no interest to the commercials and which had no value to them, but which are now exploited because they have taken everything
else out.
Looking forward to our meeting with you, when perhaps we can explore some of these issues more fully.
Mike
Michael Heylin
Chairman
Angling Trust
The Voice of Angling
I was gobsmacked when I read it!
Unbelievable!! On so many counts.
First of all, that letter is complete and utter garbage. I'd like to see Mike Heylin substantiate some of the rubbish he's written there. Most of his claims don't stack up.
Second, how dare the Angling Trust send letters like that to the fisheries minister on behalf of all sea anglers, without even telling them they are doing so or consulting with them beforehand. When he reads that, the new Minister is going to think that all sea anglers are buffoons.
Third, how can the Angling Trust send such a letter to the Minister, telling him what a bad way sea angling is in and how the sport has been decimated along with fish stocks, only to send out a completely contradictory press release a few weeks later! It is almost beyond belief and a major embarrassment to the Angling Trust. The trouble is, because they claim to be the voice for all angling, they have embarrassed all of us.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
The voice of angling? You've got to be joking.
First of all, that letter is complete and utter garbage. I'd like to see Mike Heylin substantiate some of the rubbish he's written there. Most of his claims don't stack up.
Second, how dare the Angling Trust send letters like that to the fisheries minister on behalf of all sea anglers, without even telling them they are doing so or consulting with them beforehand. When he reads that, the new Minister is going to think that all sea anglers are buffoons.
Third, how can the Angling Trust send such a letter to the Minister, telling him what a bad way sea angling is in and how the sport has been decimated along with fish stocks, only to send out a completely contradictory press release a few weeks later! It is almost beyond belief and a major embarrassment to the Angling Trust. The trouble is, because they claim to be the voice for all angling, they have embarrassed all of us.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
The voice of angling? You've got to be joking.
Afternoon Bob, Wayne and Steve. 
Abosulute load of cods as usual. Thanks for linking us to more A T poo Wayne. I did do an email to the A T addressing it to this amery geezer on the last release, done a full page of asking him to justify his position over the rsa, questioning the at's mantra when all they have achieved for the rsa is restrictions. Pointing out the waste of space mcz project,
When i was about to post it the screen went blank and i 'kin' lost it all, gutted. Can't wait to get yet another proper computer sorted out instead of these toy like laptops. Forgot i sent a letter, not an email to the new fisheries minister, all i got was a reply from defra. I can't have a go at him at present until i can retrieve my actual letter back from my broken machine. He ain't heard the last of it yet.
Now i think i will do another email, this time head it to both amery and haylin to point out that they are an embarresment and liken it to a big wart on the backs of the rsa.
Abosulute load of cods as usual. Thanks for linking us to more A T poo Wayne. I did do an email to the A T addressing it to this amery geezer on the last release, done a full page of asking him to justify his position over the rsa, questioning the at's mantra when all they have achieved for the rsa is restrictions. Pointing out the waste of space mcz project, When i was about to post it the screen went blank and i 'kin' lost it all, gutted. Can't wait to get yet another proper computer sorted out instead of these toy like laptops. Forgot i sent a letter, not an email to the new fisheries minister, all i got was a reply from defra. I can't have a go at him at present until i can retrieve my actual letter back from my broken machine. He ain't heard the last of it yet.
Now i think i will do another email, this time head it to both amery and haylin to point out that they are an embarresment and liken it to a big wart on the backs of the rsa.
I'm not a member of the Angling Trust.
I'm a relatively inexperienced RSA with growing experience of sea angling and a not inconsiderable experience in angling and, an increasing knowledge of angling politics. I live inland as a lot of you know and all of a sudden I've become very frightened by the 'political rhetoric' spouted as angling fact.
I spend my sea angling money on skippers that know the waters, they know the pubs, they have knowledge of the tackle nd baits to use on the tides etc. That is what angling is about. I've spent decades fishing coarse and game on good rivers and learning watercraft. The charter skippers sell that same experience to earn a living and supply a good angling experience.
There is no need for 'funny blokes' to undermine these guys' living or, the bonuses that end up in the community.
I won't be a member of the angling trust.
I'm a relatively inexperienced RSA with growing experience of sea angling and a not inconsiderable experience in angling and, an increasing knowledge of angling politics. I live inland as a lot of you know and all of a sudden I've become very frightened by the 'political rhetoric' spouted as angling fact.
I spend my sea angling money on skippers that know the waters, they know the pubs, they have knowledge of the tackle nd baits to use on the tides etc. That is what angling is about. I've spent decades fishing coarse and game on good rivers and learning watercraft. The charter skippers sell that same experience to earn a living and supply a good angling experience.
There is no need for 'funny blokes' to undermine these guys' living or, the bonuses that end up in the community.
I won't be a member of the angling trust.
QUOTE (Anglers' Net @ Jul 10 2010, 04:11 AM)
Its all getting a bit desperate by the look of it.
Banging on with the same old same nonsense: No serious biology, no attempt to connect with with the parts of the UK population that actually do serious fisheries that affect fish stocks - just another call to arms too the rich and vocal who want their perfect lawn and will get into bed with anyone to get there. Having been brought up to think a lawn should look like a cricket pitch and assuming the legislators should back em up, they later decide " their olds "were wrong and it should in fact be a "wild area". The further these people are kept from anything to do with fish stocks (unless you are of the opinion we should not eat or trade fish) then the better as I understand it atm.
Its just one persons opinion
Chris
QUOTE (Anglers' Net @ Jul 10 2010, 04:11 AM)
QUOTE (Sharkbyte @ Jul 11 2010, 02:12 PM)
If I may, Barry......
It should be, John "I'm not interested in Article 47" Amery, acting chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the 'governing', 'representative' and manipulative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
I shall never forget him snarling across the table when presenting my breakdown of implications of the disastrous EU document. There was much more pressing matters to be getting on with, namely the old NFSA specimen award scheme!!!
Back to the press release.
It is remarkable how there has been an apparent growth in the sport, pastime, what have you, when only the other week the AT were buttering up Richard Benyon with tales of decimation in the RSA sector.
Check this garbage out.....
I was gobsmacked when I read it!
It should be, John "I'm not interested in Article 47" Amery, acting chairman of the marine committee of the Angling Trust, the 'governing', 'representative' and manipulative body for all angling (not if i can help it)
I shall never forget him snarling across the table when presenting my breakdown of implications of the disastrous EU document. There was much more pressing matters to be getting on with, namely the old NFSA specimen award scheme!!!
Back to the press release.
It is remarkable how there has been an apparent growth in the sport, pastime, what have you, when only the other week the AT were buttering up Richard Benyon with tales of decimation in the RSA sector.
Check this garbage out.....
I was gobsmacked when I read it!
What sort of an idiot is this guy, spouting fantasy figures that he knows nothing about?
I've been sea angling now for nearly 40 years and have never paid anything like £100 for a day out on a charter, I can ring a local skipper even now, and get a day's fishing for £35.
And as for the phalacy that he represents the angling fraternity, he really needs to do some serious research/homework and get his facts half right before spouting his drivel.
But on the same note, wasn't it Alan Yates of Sea Angler that thought the Sea License was a good idea?
Talk about a stealth tax,
Thanks guy's for the post, it keeps us in the loop when it comes to sustaining our sport.
Regards Micky.
E. A. Ha Ha What a fat,bloated over funded quango. One of the 1st to feel the full weight of the cuts I hope. Its there own fault aswell talk about taking their eye off the ball. Concentrate on the ENVIRONMENT boys not hobby fishermen.
QUOTE (clem @ Jul 18 2010, 06:14 AM)
E. A. Ha Ha What a fat,bloated over funded quango. One of the 1st to feel the full weight of the cuts I hope. Its there own fault aswell talk about taking their eye off the ball. Concentrate on the ENVIRONMENT boys not hobby fishermen.
Well here is the latest bit of governance warning issued to the guys who pays their wages and blue chip pensions, i've condenced it to ease anyone going to sleep. The bits iv'e removed concentrate on wielding a big stick if you fall foul of these new eeeeerrrrrr well thought out restrictions, enjoy your fishing. At the mo i've proberbly ruined a few of the supporters of these nice new regs, breakfast cornflakes by challenging part of this release as a load of cobblers. One reply is a guy saying that he is glad the likes of myself as an angler is in the minority. And do i own just one hook, and yes thats from a sfc guy who helps write the loverly rules for you all to obey.
Quote:
ANGLING: Ignoring new bylaws will be a costly error
IMPORTANT new fishing regulations have come into effect and there is now a total ban on taking freshwater eels, whether caught in stillwaters, river estuaries or the sea.
The taking of other species of freshwater fishes is also affected, and it's important the regulations are followed as the fines for those caught ignoring them are on the large side.
Those who remove more or different fish than this, will be committing an offence and risk a substantial fine.
On stillwaters, anglers may only remove fish if they have written permission from the fishery owner.
To protect threatened stocks, all rod-caught eel and shad must be returned to the water alive, including when they are taken from estuaries and coastal waters.
Environment Agency fisheries manager Adrian Taylor said: "These bylaws achieve the right balance — they allow anglers to remove some freshwater fish for the pot or for bait, while still protecting valuable coarse fisheries.
"The Environment Agency wants to work with the angling community to make the most of these new powers.
"Fishery owners and clubs can help us focus our enforcement by providing prompt, accurate information on where and when people are removing fish illegally.
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