News Release From The Angling Trust

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Not only are the trust demanding that they govern all the anglers, un-elected. They are now trying to influence how every single person in the u k how they are going to live their lives. Bu@@er off A T, we pay enough for our water, so we can use it as we think fit, go and lean on the government and the water companies for more storage during time of plenty, instead of imposing your will on all. Back to school for us all then, to live our lives as you think fit. Your a joke.

Worked for a couple of elderley clients the last couple of weeks they had a bucket under their leaky shower to catch the drips, bucket in the kitchen to catch any water out of the tap that wasn't warm enough or cold enough for their needs, etc, etc, thats no way to live your lives, rather sad to see that was. No i don't want a meter. I like to wallow in a bath, instead of a shower.

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• Reduce total consumption of water by 20% and from 180 litres per day per person to European average levels of 125 litres per day through education and metering.

Looks like it's pretty serious in some areas:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10622798

I just wondered.....well, I know it's a bit silly but....you don't think that the river levels have got anything to do with the "phew what a scorcher" summer we've been having do you?

I seem to recall that it rained a lot about three years ago and then there was quite a lot of iritation because there was too much water. This year it hasn't rained and there's not enough............I wonder if there's a connection?

Don't forget the 'extreme' winter we've just had Nick. I wonder where all that rain and snow melt went. It couldn't have just run off the concrete and asphalt surfaces straight into the drains and away to sea, could it? We have a growing population, so therefore use more water, and also build on more land, so less soaks in, what do they expect?

Anyway, the best fry survival years I've known have all had 'dry' summers. Fish have spawned longer, more fry, less chance of the fry being washed away, and lower concentrations of phosphates washed off the land. Maybe it's because the rivers weren't as 'clean' in those days, as they are supposed to be now.

John.

We have only had two or three weeks of normal summer following as stated a wet winter yet there are shortages. When the drought of 76 hit the south, where the ground water levels deminished so much houses started falling down, that gave upto 20 years of putting them back up again. Has someone pulled a plug or something? has the government and the water companies not learned from it. Or too busy spending the water rates bills on shareholders with absolutly nothing put back in. Is that how managers manage, Whats gone wrong.

Domestic water usage accounts for 20% of all water used in this country, there must be a greater potential for savings by looking harder at the other 80% instead of continually clobbering the householders.

I'm all in favour of seeing plenty going down the plughole to help dilute the effluent discharged from trout farms into our rivers.

One thing I would ban at times of shortage is watering grass, any grass, it always greens up again when it rains, just leave it.

just moving sideways slightly, the percentage of domestic waste is either 20% or less. Yet you hear of all these mad cap schemes drawn up by the local stazies rubbish spys and fines etc, there is now an industry built up policing nothing really.

Can see water going the same way. With the A T knocking on doors handing out fines for abuse of water. (just to bring it back on topic).

In East Kent (just a few miles from where Barry lives) we have the highest water table since the floods of 2000/1, and reservoirs in the South East have plenty of water. In fact, I've just had a site visit from the Environment Agency to discuss what can be done about the flooding we've had at my pits at Wingham the last several years. Even in May the water was still over the banks in the Carp Lake, not from flooding from the river, just from the very high water table.

In the North West the situation is very different. Here they've had a well below average amount of rainfall recently and as a result reservoirs are very low, and so as a precaution rationing has been imposed in case we have a dry summer.

In other words, different areas of even a small country like ours have different problems.

As I said in another thread, the water authorities should do something about the amount of water they lose through leaking pipes. I understand the authority that serves Kent and the SE want to make another reservoir that will produce about 1/4 of the amount they lose

It's a really serious abd complex problem that has a lot to do with the fact that we actually have very cheap water in the UK.

There have been lots of issues discussed in this thread and all have some merit, but they are linked complex problems.

The South (generally) has water pumped out of aquifers as it has a gravel or chalk sub soil. The aquifers are full in some areas, hence the encouragement of more abstraction as reported by Steve. But in some areas the aquifers are over abstracted, leading to low river flows. Reservoirs in the South are only made where there are existing rivers as the ground is not generally suitable to take a reservoir (for potable water). Hence the concrete bowls you get in the SE. In the North it's much easier, but it depends on rainfall, as do the rivers. There are less spring fed rivers, so they run dry. Digging motre reservoirs isn't necessairly going to solve the problem. The water needs to be piped to whevever it goes,a nd that will normally be a long way. It then needs to be treated and made potable.

Digging big reservoirs is always troublesome as well. Land will be lost, views altered and a recent proposal in Oxfordshire came up against huge local opposition.

The shortage is therefore treated potable water. There's still plenty of water accross most of the uk, it's just in the wrong areas, i.e. not always where poeple live.. However, it's bonkers that we use potable water to clean cars, trains and water our gardens. We could save oursleves loads of bother by recycling more water. Treated water is generally bad for plants anyway.

The issues of watering grass and leaky pipes are interesting though. In Central London the amount of radiated heat increases considerably in the drought years as the London Parks and green spaces get so dried out that the grass and plants don't photosynthsise, therefore releasing less moisture into the atmosphere. The exposed ground then reflects as much heat as paving.

Trees help to cool as well and absorb nearly 5000 litres a day, which they relelase into the atmosphere. This mosture cools the city by up to 3 degrees on a hot day when the ground is not desiccated. A lot of the street trees are relying upon leaks to survive.

Nail on the head there mate, just goes to show how dull most Human Beings are!